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there are questions in the united states as well about possible new threats to american security but before these questions, a remarkable moment to recognize a hero. this morning members of parliament honored the man, you can see him right there, kevin vickers, credited with ending yesterday's deadly rampage that unfolded in the very heart of canada's parliament.
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fter decades in law enforcement, now the chambers' sergeant at arms. the parliament there returned to work. it was vickers who fired the fatal shot that brought down michael zehaf-bibeau. police say he was killed inside parliament after fleeing canada's war memorial. that is where the man the prime minister is calling a terrorist shot dead a 24-year-old father and army reservist, corporal nathan cirillo. he died standing guard before the tomb of canada's unknown soldier. earlier this morning prime minister stephen harper laid flowers at that site. from there he went to parliament where he insisted that canada
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will not be intimidated by anyone who opposes its radical ideology. >> we will vigilant but won't run scared. we will be prudent but will not panic. as for the business of gors, well, here we are in our seats, in our chamber, in the very heart of our democracy. [ applause ] >> quite a moment in ottawa this morning. cnn all over this story with reporters in ottawa also on capitol hill and at the white house. i want to go straight away to national correspondent deborah feyerick in ottawa. you've been working your sources about the shooter, michael zehaf-bibeau a man who prime minister in no uncertain terms called a terrorist and said they are investigating whether there are other suspects as well. >> there's no question about that. they are going through his background very very carefully.
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they're very interested in finding out who he was in contact with whether he was radicalized online whether this is what's called sudden jihad syndrome where all of a sudden he decided he was going to do something. we do know his passport was confiscated because he had shown authorities that he wanted to go overseas to fight, join the terrorists join jihad. however, they flagged that passport so he was unable to leave. whether that turned him to do this act, to commit this act, they're looking at that very closely as well. he's 32 years old. his name is michael zehaf-bibeau he also went by michael joseph hall. he was also going by the name abdullah as well. so clearly sort of this meta morph sis of this man going through these various personality iterations. one thing that's clear is that he was designated a high-risk traveler and, therefore, he was being monitored by canadian authorities. john i spoke to a number of lawmakers today this morning. they said all of that is going
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to have to be under review. they've got to look at whether it's enough to confiscate a passport enough to keep somebody under surveillance whereby, if somebody is considered a threat more needs to be done maybe even in the form of an intervention. all of that is under review. the parliament building just behind me they're meeting there. you can see a soldier's presence there. there is a clear statement that canada is not backing down. this is an act of a lone individual who decided to commit this atrocity. the lawmakers are firm the law enforcement is firm soldiers the troops all of them remain in place. nothing has changed. john i want to take you back. you can see this is the national war memorial, the tomb of the unknown soldier that you referred to. a steady stream of people have been coming to pay their respects to give honor to this young corporal who lost his life. canada is in mourning but canada is really strong and they're making it very clear
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don't mess with us john. >> you're seeing the hash tag all over the internet "ottawa strong." i think that does ring true. talk to me about the environment in canada over the last several days and weeks. there has been a heightened concern over terror chatter. just monday there was an attack where a man who is believed to have been radicalized ran down a soldier in a car. >> reporter: on friday canada raised the threat level from low to medium. that means there was an increased vigilance. isis put out a statement calling on these people who are jihad oriented to basically do these lone wolf attacks. those are the ones that kind of undermine a situation because obviously you can't really plan for them you don't know when they're coming. people may or may not be on the radar. the element of surprise is crucial. also on monday another man, muslim convert, he was radicalized online. he too had wanted to go
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overseas in order to fight and join the terrorists fight jihad. he used his -- his passport was confiscated confiscated. he used his car as a weapon to run down two soldiers. one died one injured. the reason it got so much attention is the spectacular way it played out at the end. no no one is backing down. you can bet isis and other terrorist groups will use this as propaganda to recruit people who are predisposed to committing these atrocities. >> was there a connection wean the one wednesday and the one monday. is there a connection between the shooting in the capital and islamic radicals? we don't know yet. deborah feyerick in ottawa thank you so much. what we do know is it was a tragedy and there was a victim a young army corporal murdered who is now being remembered as a strong man and a kind man, a loving father who leaves behind a little boy who just started kindergarten. nathan cirillo was an honor
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guard on duty at the war memorial when he was shot. the 24-year-old died shortly after the attack. he was a personal trainer, a bouncer, he rescued dogs in his free time. supposed to be a wonderful, wonderful guy. friends say his smile would just light up a room. >> i just didn't want to believe it. he was such an amazing person amazing father amazing friend. he rescued dogs, he was just an awesome person. >> a tragic unnecessary loss. cirillo was holding a rifle at the time he was shot as all honor guards do but these rifles are not loaded. they are ceremonial. also today as we've been talking about, the shootout could have been much much worse. remember legislators, that country's leaders were meeting nearby. it would have been much worse not for the actions of that one
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man we just showed you minutes ago, kevin vickers, the sergeant of arms. he led a procession into the parliament chambers this morning. he is a hero after what he did in that shooting after he took down the lone gunman. vic kers is 58 years old. he has been in law enforcement for a long long time. he spent 29 years with the royal canadian mounted police. his brother spoke to anderson cooper about the family's reaction. >> from a family perspective, just a lot of concern to hear that gunfire and hear my brother's name mentioned over and over again. certainly was just real concerned about his well-being. as the day progressed it was an extraordinary relief to know that he was okay and at the same time very very proud of what he had to do today. >> an entire nation is proud of him right now.
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despite kevin vickers' lengthy law enforcement ka reerks yesterday was the first time he ever exchanged gunfire with anyone. just hours after all that chaos in ottawa began, there was a new security breach in washington at the white house. an unarmed man jumped the fence there. this time he barely made it into the north lawn before he was taken down by two police dogs. the father of the man says his son is paranoid hears voices. the 23-year-old man faces charges that include making threats and assaulting the dog, he suffered bites to his arm, back chest and knee. the incident marked the second time in the past month that someone scaled the fence. the dogs did go to the vote but are back on duty. the attack in canada has the united states now on heightened alert. we will speak about new concerns in the united states over lone wolf attacks. plus trapped in a room while a
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murderer runs the halls. what was it like to be inside that building while the ottawa shooter tried to kill? we will speak to a member of parliament. teen girls play hooky from school and try to join isis. how far did they get and what can be done to stop the next group of kids with similar ideas? that's all ahead "at this hour." big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. what's up for the next shift? ah, nothing much. just keeping the lights on. (laugh) nice. doing the big things that move an economy. see you tomorrow, mac. see you tomorrow, sam. just another day at norfolk southern.
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but the best we can do is to continue to work with our partners at the rcp to identify those potential threats. >> so the shooting in ottawa just 60 miles from the u.s. border follows a hit-and-run attack on canadian soldiers just 40 miles north of the new york line. that attack by a muslim that authorities say was radicalized. both these attacks have raised concerns, serious security concerns in the united states. the fbi alerting its field offices nationwide to stay vigilant. want to speak with this with our chief national security correspondent jim sciutto. thanks for being with us. we still don't know the motive of what went on in ottawa. even before this attack your sources were telling you about fears of people self-radicalizing, fears of lone wolf attacks. >> no question john. in many ways the number one fear. i spoke with the former director of the national counterterrorism
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center matt olson on tuesday. he said the most likely threat in his view to u.s. soil was lone wolf attacks. one of the reasons for that is the point that the rcmp police chief when he was speaking to chris cuomo at the start of the segment said it's the lone part that's difficult. they work in small groups. it may be only that individual who knows what he's intending to do. so that cuts off all the ways that counter terror officials and intelligence normally predict, can prevent an attack whether it be communication, say, with some v some operational leader in pakistan or in syria or iraq or other kinds of preparation. so -- or entering the country, someone on a terror watch list. if you're acting alone, you're already in the country, you track off two of the principle ways used to carry out an attack. >> clearly they had their eye on him. they had essentially frozen miss
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passport which would stop him from leaving the country. we do know this man had been to the united states the most recent in 2013. what are they doing to track his movements and possible conduct here? >> doing two things. the u.s. in conjunction with canadian intelligence looking at who he e-mailed where he was on the internet which phone calls he made to try to expand that web. when anything like this happens, they want to see if you're connected to anybody else that they know about. that will get to motive was he speaking to other islamic extremists but also connected to other people so they can further track down others who might be thinking of doing the same thing. i asked matt olson the former nctc director on tuesday, the level of his concern with the southern and northern border of the u.s. he said it's something they watch, but not something they have great nervousness about. you know there's been a lot of
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talk in the political sphere about the southern border criminals infacted with ebola. he said they have no particular intelligence about a threat coming across the southern border. i asked him about the northern border as well. he said watching it but not a particular area of concern. you have to think and believe that two attacks like this raise that concern. i'll tell you, john they already have that concern about potential attackers here in the u.s. in other words, you don't need them to come across the border because they're concerned you might have lone wolfs operating here or thinking about carrying out attacks in the u.s. already. >> the fact is jim, and i think we forget this, we already have had lone wolf type attacks in united states. the boston marathon bombing. and ft. hood all lone wolfs. these are people acting alone in the united states. we know it has happened so we know that it can happen. >> no question.
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absolutely. there was even this killing, this beheading in oklahoma city just a couple weeks ago. it hasn't been called in so many words a terror attack but that killer, he had posted for instance isis black flags on social media, et cetera. there is some nexus there. investigators haven't established a hard connection. but you do have signs like that. the difficulty here john is it's sadly easy to do. you just need one person with one gun or one internet recipe for a bomb, like the tsarnaev brothers. it's easy to do this without being caught. that's why intelligence officials here in the u.s. are concerned. >> we'll talk about how even with those difficulties what can you do coming up. jim sciutto, thank you so much for being with us. i appreciate it. ahead for us how could a guy who was such a threat that
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isis is sending its jihad, international jihad to attack with all the means that they have. as a matter of fact a month ago you will recall there was a video threat that was sent worldwide and they were saying take a rock and bash their head take a knife and stab them take your car and run them over. >> take your car and run them over. indeed that did seem to happen monday near montreal when a canadian soldier was attacked in a hit and run. the driver had been watched for his possible terror connections. also reminiscent of an attack
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last year when two islamic militants mowed down a british soldier in a london street and stabbed him to death. at this hour british authorities are reviewing security measures in central london as response to the attacks in canada. the prime minister is telling the public to maintain permanent vigilance. we want to broo bring in paul crookshank our law enforcement analyst tom fuentes. i want to bring in a new picture of the shooter, of this murderer michael ze half bibeau this is the man who killed nathan cirillo and went into canadian parliament before being shot down. he is now dead. this is a photo of that man. was he an angry disturbed guy with a gun? was he radical liesed? we simply don't know. tom, this fear o over lone wolfs, it is a fear because of what they can accomplish. the big question is can they be stopped? >> john we're always shocked
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and astounded when a lone wolf case comes up. two years ago the heritage foundation here in washington issued a report citing 50 cases of home grown terrorists that were stopped in the u.s. alone since 9/11. every time one of these cases come up everybody is shocked and outraged. 20 of the toronto 18 case a suburban resident of toronto starts up this group, learns how to make bombs, practices, learns it well. he's in the process of purchasing three metric tons to use in toronto which would have been triple the amount used by mcvay in oklahoma city. part of that plot was to kidnap and behead the prime minister of canada. that was in 2006 and those guys are in jail. >> i have friends in dwrunt states and canadian friends
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voicing this notion, this is canada. i know journalists that used to try to travel on canadian passports because canadians were looked at as different as americans, not seen as targets for terrorism. there are now concerns in canada serious concerns. >> there have been concerns for quite some time. over the last decade a string of terrorist plots in canada notably this toronto 18 case in 2006 where they planned to storm the canadian parliament and behead politicians. there's a significant degree of radicalization. in canada about 30 are believed to be in syria and iraq about 90 canadians on other fronts. overseas about 80 canadians back in canada who have been fighting on other fronts overseas. the numbers are high. there's a lot of concern in canada. i don't think this should be a surprise to anybody. >> there have been direct pleas for recruitment by isis. two people in canada as well. tom, law enforcement here. i want to get back to another
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issue that has been raised. this man who we're looking at still, this killer he had his passport frozen because he was deemed such a threat to travel. the idea that he would get on a plane, his passport was frozen. he got so close to the prime minister and legislators in canada with a gun. is there some kind of breakdown there? >> i think so. even in canada they increased their threat alert level just a week ago based on what they were haerlg. monitoring characters like this guy, and yet here is somebody that manages to get through the door of parliament and into the building before he's shot dead. we were astounded. we were astounded last month in washington when somebody managed to run through the front door of the white house and have to be tackled in the east room of the white house. apparently all these alerts don't get down to the ground
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level where you have the security guards at that time door guarding these facilities. >> paul in your mind new border concerns nor the united states the northern border at this time. >> well there are concerns that somebody in the united states an american citizen, there have been concerns about the border. back in 1999 you had a man who was going to bomb lax airport. more recently in 2013 a jihad iflt plot from canada aiming to derail a train moving from toronto to new york there have been concerns. as you say, these people could be inspired by isis's message which is to launch lone wolf attacks in the united states. >> which is why law enforcement is vigilant and will remain so. paul crookshank tom fuentes, thank you. grief and defiance this morning as the parliament in canada meets to face the reality there of home grown terror. up next we'll go live to ottawa
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this photo appeared on an islamic twitter account that has been shut down. earlier this morning, a much better picture as far as i'm concern, members of parliament and canada who ended zehaf-bibeau's shooting spree. [ cheers and applause ] defiance of an entire nation. kevin vickers carried the symbol of authority. the parliament did get back to business today. it was vickers who reportedly fired the fatal shot that brought down the killer. police say zehaf-bibeau was killed inside the parliament
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building after fleeing canada's war memorial where he shot dead 23-year-old corporal nathan cirillo. he died standing guard before the tomb of canada's unknown soldier. earlier prime minister stephen harper laid a wreath at the location. our laws and police powers need to be strengthened in the area of surveillance detention and arrest. they need to be much strengthened. i assure you, mr. speaker, that work which is already under way will be expedited. >> cnn is all over this story with reporters in ottawa as well as washington, d.c. our chris cuomo, "new day" anchor is at the war memorial where corporal nathan cirillo was killed yesterday. chris, what an ordeal for ottawa yesterday. it went on for hours and hours. they feared for a while there might be more suspects. this was happening in a city
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that is not used to this kind of chaos in any way. what is the mood there today? >> it's certainly sad, mixed with shock, john. you say it perfectly. this place has had four homicides in the last calendar year four. think about that in terms of -- it bespeaks virtue crime is not present. they have a good handle of it. something like this is upsetting in every way imaginable. you can see behind us they still have the place set up for sol solemnity here. they're no longer working the forensics of the area though it's still taped off. this entire story, this entire situation is about balancing extremes. you a low crime area that has to do with the most frightening kind of crime right now. you have a country that has to renew its commitment to this. it's already been very committed. they have 90 people under watch.
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this man and the man involved in monday's death were both flagged by canadian intelligence authorities, both had their passports removed. the hardest part of this the biggest unknown will be the most difficult to answer and this is how do you deal with this ever-present new threat of missguided people who misunderstand the nature of faith and use it as an outlet for violence? >> you bring up a good point, chris. i know you've asked the question all morning. this guy was deemed such a threat that they froze his passport. yet somehow he got in canada's parliament building with a gun, awfully close to the canadian prime minister. the prime minister this morning called him a terrorist in no uncertain terms. what more do we know? what more are investigators turning up about this shooter? >> reporter: i think it's very interesting the way that the investigators are approaching it. to answer the first part of your question one part of the quix is easy the security around parliament was unsatisfied factory in this situation.
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they had four different types of police forces involved but the coordination wasn't there. again, a little of that comes from what threat awareness they had. that will change certainly. it's just what the present realities demand. the harder fix is how do you stop someone like the shooter yesterday? on the u.s. side what we're hearing is that he was deeply disturbed as an individual. that's why he sought out islam as a convert. he was desperately seeking some type of validation but those qualities appear in so many being watched on both sides of the border john that the biggest challenge is how to deal with what is a very real threat. frankly, they don't have great answers. >> no. it's a numbers game. chris cuomo, great work up there. we appreciate your time. coming up for us there are little more than 2,000 patrol officers along the u.s. border the northern border with canada. is that enough to keep america safe? how the u.s. will now be
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tightening security after the attack in ottawa. then they snatch money, lie to their parents, skip school all because they wanted to take a trip to join isis. is there now a threat a young threat in the united states that is being overlooked? >> i would say the most likely type of attack is one of these home grown violent extremists or lone offenders in the united states. turn the trips you have to take, into one you'll never forget. earn points for every flight and every hotel. expedia plus rewards. [ female announcer ] you change your style. why not your eye color? new air optix® colors prescription contact lenses enhance your eye color for
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we have new video just in to cnn. it shows kevin vickers, the man honored this morning as a hero the sergeant at arms at canada's house of commons. this video shows him holding his handgun. it's from after the moment when he gunned down the killer uxz r,
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michael zehaf bish bow who killed one of their soldiers at the tomb of the unknowns. you can see him walking the halls, carrying a gun right there, so calm so collected. still obviously doing his job. for that he was honored. so move vingly this morning by the canadian parliament which is back at work today which itself is a symbol of the defiance of that nation. we'll keep going discussing this right now. president obama says the united states has to remain vigilant. the fbi is urging its field offices across the country to stay on alert. the secret service is reviewing security procedures at the bhous. there was another fence jumper last night. the military tightening security at the tomb of the unknowns. the u.s. is warning patrol agents at the border with canada to be on high alert. our rene marsh is in canada. give us a sense of what's going
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on? >> i can tell you the u.s.-canadian border is a little more than an hour's drive from where the shots were fired in ottawa. i spoke with a department of homeland security official this morning. i'm told officers at land air and sea borders remain on increased alert. essentially they are paying attention to people arriving at the border because we do know there are still sques surrounding the motivation behind this shooting spree in ottawa whether this one man was a part of a larger network. they're not increasing screening for people from a specific country for that reason because they're still trying to get facts. however, the language they are using is they're looking for anything suspicious. but they point out at this point there's no evidence that what's happening there in ottawa poses any threat to us here in the united states. of course that could change john as they get more information and continue to piece this all together. >> rene there's so much focus
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on the southern border in the united states between the u.s. and mexico that's less than half as long as the border with canada. the u.s.-mexican border has about 18,000 the border with dan has about 2,000. does this look to be a greater focus up north? >> looking at the map, i can tell you the u.s.-cad nadian border is the longest shared border between two countries. you can see more than 5,500 niles. also the longest undefended border when you compare the military presence there, the south even border to the northern border. the situation between the two countries are different. we know that canada is the u.s.'s ally. don't have the same sort of issues as it relates to the cartels as well as people illegally crossing the border. that's why some might say they have that increased military presence there on the southern border. but it is definitely what happened yesterday raised the question of is the focus in the
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wrong place. we've heard in the past lawmakers, politicians, bringing up the possibility of isis coming through that southern border. we have heard from the department of homeland security over and over again, there's no evidence suggesting that that is possible. however, we have seen in canada if you remember back in 2006 the toronto 18. 18 people arrested for a plot to create chaos. they had sympathy with al qaeda. so they do have that in their past. that being said dhs says they are very much on alert at the northern border. they're not saying they're not focusing on it. when you do compare the two borders, absolutely right, there's more of a presence down on the southern border. >> vigilance is the key word for today. rene marsh, thank you so much. ahead this hour he killed and terrorized canada's capital city but why? how the shooter's motive could be tied to isis.
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joins us with just how they were caught. >> reporter: john when you and i were this able 15 16 17 years old, we might have skipped school to go to the beach. that's what i did. the fbi says these girls were headed to hur key and perhaps syria to join a terrorist group. we have police reports from the arapahoe county sheriff which tells a really startling tale here. the sheriff says they got a call from the father of the 15 and 17-year-old who basically said at when he comes home from work he doesn't find them there. he's not worried. turns out they were with their friend a 16-year-old, who skipped school that day. she talked to her father around the same time in the morning and said she had been late for school. the school had contacted the father to say that the daughter wasn't in school that day. so next thing they know the fbi
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is getting a flag on their passports because they have now traveled all the way to germany which is where the authorities there had stopped them before they could even get to turkey. this is a very scary story for a lot of parents because this is not something a lot of people see. the fbi has seen, you know people trying to talk to terrorist groups on-line, but they've never seen people this young, 15 16 17 years old. and it's very disconcerting to them. >> strange to me how any teenagers could get to germany without the parents apparently knowing. any charges expected from this? >> well no. not any charges because these -- they're minors and it really does appear that they didn't have a plan per se of where they were going. the fbi is looking into who they were talking to perhaps there was a recruiter somewhere in turkey or in syria who was trying to lure them there. it doesn't appear that there's anybody here who was helping them out.
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. they were able to steal $2,000 to make it there. that's as disconcerting answer for the fbi as well. >> i don't know if there is a better answer but they're getting grounded for trying to join isis and that may be it. what a strange story. thank you so much. >> right. >> ahead for us "at this hour," investigators say the ottawa shooter appears to have acted alone so how do you fight a lone wolf? that is the challenge now facing law enforcement officials. we're going to speak to a man seen recruiting from both sides. stay with us.
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new facelift effect makeup from olay and easy, breezy, beautiful, covergirl. nathan. i would say the most likely type of attack is one of the homegrown violent extremists or lone offenders in the united states. >> former u.s. counter terrorism official expressing concern about lone wolves a day before
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the terror attack on canada's parliament. two sources tell cnn the zuneman michael zehaf-bibeau was a converts to islam. his passport had been frozen by canadian authorities when they learned he wanted to fight overseas. while isis may have stepped up recruitment in canada there is no sense just yet that this attacker was part of isis. not yet. that is what is being investigated right now. joining me is harris an outreach officer at a think tank in london dedicated to fighting terrorism. people are pointing to this man and saying he had a troubled past, may have been disturbed, said he had been chased by the devil but being disturbed doesn't preclude the possibility that you are a target for recruitment. in fact it may make you more likely to be recruited? >> absolutely.
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there are certainly four particular pathways and one of them is having some sort of mental health issues having some sort of disenfranchisement disillusionment, in this case some sort of, you know history of wrongdoingings and not being part of society. these guys are very susceptible to people who would recruit them to a point where they actually believed that the only way that they are going to get a solution to the problems and with everybody else is to fight for the utopian islamist caliphate and underpin that with the concept they are part of this block and that god not only wants them to do this god will reward them for it. yeah somebody with a past such as this particular shooter is an ideal candidate for recruitment for groups such as isil. >> i want you to hang on because we did get information in to cnn and i want you to hear it and comment on it. investigators are telling jim
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sciutto and pam brown our reporters here that this shooter had connections to other jihadists in canada who shared a radical islamic ideology including at least one who went overseas to fight in syria. that's multiple u.s. sources telling cnn. does that surprise you? >> not at all. i mean one of the misconceptions is that people self-radicalize, especially on-line, but the reality is you don't go on to the internet you don't go on-line looking to buy a pair of shoes and becoming a jihadi. you need to have contact with somebody who is a current recruiter and we need now to actually look at the way we actually deal with these people as well. because we're very good certainly in the u.k. not so much other country, once people are identified as being supporters of terrorism, we do have programs in place to try to deradicalize them. what we don't have is the wider piece of the whole preventative measures and that is to actually
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build resilience within the community so whens these guys are indoctrinated with ideas and values and world views, they've got the ability to push back. the on-line world as opposed to the real world is fast becoming the vehicle, the mechanism, for recruitment by these recruiters. >> haras, a few seconds left. seems what you're saying the term lone wolf can be a misnomer. it can't just happen in a vacuum. >> absolutely it cannot. we've done analysis on this. there has to be contact, either in the real world or on-line, with either a recruiter or other supporters of jihadism or extremism. >> all right. haras rafiq, thank you for being with us. the information just in from jim sciutto and pamela brown the shooter in canada did have ties to other radical islamics inside canada. they are going to have much more on that with legal view with ashleigh banfield which begins right now.
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>> breaking news. we have a picture of the gunman who terrorized canada's parliament. we also have brand new reporting this hour of his possible ties to islamic extremist principles in canada and elsewhere and also this hour growing demands for the arrest of the policeman who shot michael brown. as even more leaked evidence shows possibly that the officer might have been telling the truth. it certainly supports his version. so what happens next in ferguson. is tar heel blue stains? a scathing
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